Some report that the first English translation had just been released of the motivation report, the written opinion of judges and jury released March 4, to put Amanda Knox behind bars. Also, her rebuttal summary to the motivation for her appeal is now in English too.

Amanda Knox motivation document 'first English translation?'

Attached is motivation translation & Knox's rebuttals to motivation document, both in English

It has just been reported by at least two major Seattle media outlets that the 427-page motivation document issued March 4 in Italian, called the "(Judge) Massei Report" regarding the murder case of Meredith Kercher in Perugia, Italy, and West Seattle UW student Amanda Knox's involvement in the murder, has been for the first time translated in English by a team of of people on an international blog.

The Massei Report, authored by Judge Giancarlo Massei and Assistant Judge Beatrice Cristiani, explains the motivation of the judges and jury for their guilty verdicts of Knox, her boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito. and career burglar, Rudy Guede.

UPDATE: We now have links to both their English translation of the motivation and an English translation of Amanda Knox's rebuttal to that motivation document.

While the West Seattle Herald acknowledges the translation as one English translation, we are currently looking into the validity of that blog's claim that until now this document has not been translated in English. Many bi-lingual readers have shared opinions on the document with us and other media since the March 4 release. You can check out the March 6 West Seattle article "UPDATE: Cellmate's deposition & 427 page "motivation" document may clear Amanda Knox" here:

http://www.westseattleherald.com/2010/03/06/news/update-cellmates-deposi...

From that article, Edda Mellas, Amanda Knox's mother told the West Seattle Herald, "In trying to justify the knife (as evidence) they said there was 'definitely a second knife belonging to Raffaele.' But the 'alternative knife' was never brought up in court (...) It’s ludicrous.

"This is the summary that the judges wrote up. It is trying to justify the wrongful conviction of two innocent people," she added. "Because it's in Italian Amanda is also working on translating it. Her lawyers are thrilled. All of this is reason, and good grounds, for appeal."

Her husband, Amanda's step-father, Chris Mellas, said in that article, "Simply put, much of what is discussed in the report is not based in court-covered fact(...) In the end, it is good for us and we are happy because it is not based in court fact," Chris said. "This makes it easier for us at the appeal. Had the report been based in court fact, the judges would have been writing the reasoning for exoneration.”

One "Amanda follower" who is currently writing a book on the case told the West Seattle Herald, "As the murder trial and appeals process has been, and continues to be heard, in Perugia, Italy, and the lawyers and judges involved speak and read Italian, Amanda Knox will be judged by the Italian prosecution on the Italian translation that has been in their possession since March 4."

UPDATE: I am quoting the words "Italian translation." I believe it is obvious this person was referring to the Italian original.

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Massei Translation

This article was written from a fundamentally biased perspective, and it is an embarrassment to the WSH to be running it as if it were neutral.

So we can expect a Steve

So we can expect a Steve Shay/WSH approved translation of the sentencing report?

Amanda, Raffaele and Rudy are innocent!

We here in Europe don't need any translations.
We just wonder why Americans (not to speak of their Government) don't do anything at least for their Amanda Knox.
Here in Europe, there are more and more TV reports about innocently jailed people of European countries, like this evening in French channel France 2.
It's a disaster that there is no real funding of a real pro-Amanda campaign also in Italy.
Forget about the "motivation of the judges and jury". They are not free! They are living in Perugia, they had no choice!!!
http://freeamanda.livejournal.com
http://twitter.com/FreeAmandaKnox

Re: Mark Nonsence

I agree. I am updating now. Thank you! Steve Shay

Judge Massei's Report

The English translation of Judge Massei's report can be downloaded from here:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=53735#p53735

Steve, seriously what's with

Steve, seriously what's with the idea it's not the first translation? Both sides of the pro-Amanda and pro-verdict vociferous debate have been waiting for this document for months and posts on both sides have been continually asking "when is it coming out?" because everyone wanted to read it no matter the affiliation. Prominent friends of Amanda have acknowledged the good work that has gone into the translation as much as they thoroughly disagree with the 400 page reasoning.

The only other versions are google translate which is completely unworkable given the legal and medical terminology as the real translation shows OR anything that was done inside the Amanda core team but which has never been released to the public for reasons that are not clear at all and lead to some very uncharitable conclusions being drawn by some.

So yes it's the first - anyone who has been closely following the debate knows that - and more than that - what exactly is the point you were trying to make if it were not??

Another Lie from Edda

Edda claims the second knife was "never brought up in court."

Funny that.

The 427 page judgment goes into great detail about the COURTROOM TESTIMONY of Raffaele's friends about the knives in Raffaele's collection - the knives he wouldn't let any of them touch - and how they match 2 of the 3 neck wounds on the victim, Meredith Kercher, based on the COURTROOM TESTIMONY of the coroner and other medical experts.

Never brought up in court? Give it up Edda. WE CAN ALL READ THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION NOW.

When your daughter started abusing street drugs and came home with a Seattle police issued citation for rock throwing at her UW 'going away party', you should have sent her to REHAB, not Europe.

It wasn't just drugs that ruined Amanda, it was your denial.

If you keep it up, Amanda will lose more than her freedom. She'll lose her soul.

Translation

Just to set the record straight: No claim has been made that the document has never been translated in(to) English. I have heard that Ted Simon, the lawyer and television legal pundit hired by the Knox family post verdict, has a copy in English. I hope so! However, his copy (if it exists) has never been made available to the public. Incidentally, comments made by Edda Mellas and others close to the family criticizing the report when it came out in March were made within 48 hours of its publication in Italian. Since she does not understand Italian, and since no translation of this length could have been made within 48 hours, we wondered what she was basing her assessment on.
Our full translation is the first English language version to be made available to the public, including the press. We read (perhaps in these pages) that Amanda Knox was also working on a translation. This translation has not been published as far as I am aware.
The reason for making this translation available is so that the public can read the reasoning behind the verdict, instead of having to rely on media reports apparently based solely on information from the family and its PR firm. The team that translated the report over a five-month period welcome any comments or criticism of the quality of the translation -- the rest is off-topic and diversionary.

The expert witnesses on both

The expert witnesses on both sides of the case discussed for *days* the one or two knife theory with two knives being explicitly raised at length. Edda couldn't speak Italian but then she also has a responsibility to ensure she's not making completely baseless statements about the case.

The judge concludes;

Moreover, the knife Raffaele Sollecito carried with him had a definitely shorter blade – as has been seen – than the length that would have been necessary for causing the deeper resulting wound, with a depth of 8cm, and therefore, there must necessarily have been [405] two knives at the scene of the crime, first one, and then the other, being used against Meredith.

A key reason this crime was not carried out by a 'lone wolf' as many many other points of evidence also make clear.

Now the report is out, people simply can read with their own minds. Agree or violently disagree - that's up to you - with the verdict. But at least now people can have an unbiased and accurate version of why the court convicted an Italian young man, the son of a wealthy and connected urologist and a near-naturalised Italian on the evidence. And, yes, they convicted Amanda Knox too.

Shame Amanda Got High with Rudy

Remember all that BS on CBS News 48 Hours about how Amanda "never laid eyes on" Rudy Guede?

The translation shows Amanda not only knew 'girl-botherer' Rudy longer than she knew 'knife-collector/ rape-fetishist' Raffaele (6 days), she smoked dope with Rudy before the murder, several times. Rudy told everybody in the downstairs cottage he had the hots for Amanda - even made a point of showing up where she worked.

"Never laid eyes on"... riiiiiigggghht.

Of all the guys in Perugia, why the hell was Amanda getting high with Rudy (drifter/ girl groper) and Raffaele (virginal collector of knives, rape comics & bestiality porn)?!

You gotta read this translation. Amanda sure can pick 'em.

Translation of Massei motivations

Steve Shay wrote:

One "Amanda follower" who is currently writing a book on the case told the West Seattle Herald, "As the murder trial and appeals process has been, and continues to be heard, in Perugia, Italy, and the lawyers and judges involved speak and read Italian, Amanda Knox will be judged by the Italian prosecution on the Italian translation that has been in their possession since March 4."

Perhaps you could clarify this, Steve. The Italian version of the report published on March 4, 2010 is the original sentencing report. It is not a "translation"! And it seems obvious that the professionals and the legal system involved in the automatic appeals process would be reading the Italian original. After all, Italy is a sovereign nation and Italian is the language spoken by its citizens.

poor form, Steve

Shay writes:

"Amanda...will be judged...on the Italian TRANSLATION..."

Look, Steve buddy, the March 4 Italian document is not a "translation."

Did you go to the same J school as the chinless lisper?

Peggy Ganong

You are correct. As I stated, the legal professionals read the original Italian motivation once released on March 4. It was of course not a translation.

Peggy Ganong

Peggy Ganong is such a disgusting person she even said bad things about her own sister on perugiamurderfile. There's a special place in hell for people like that. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame Ganong. Your translation is almost incomprehensible anyways.

Re: poor form, Steve

"Amanda...will be judged...on the Italian TRANSLATION..."

Those aren't Shay's words, it's a quote. Maybe you should go back to school, buddy.

Massei report

Thanks for correcting that statement, Steve. Also, I believe the appeal document you refer to is available in summary form and not as a full translation. The Massei report is not a summary (as indicated by Chris Mellas); it is an exhaustive discussion of the evidence and testimony presented in court. Our translation is a full translation of this report, which runs around 400 pages. Thanks for amending as needed.

"lex bailey" = perfect example of Knox Supporters

ad hominem attacks
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reading comprehension problems
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"Friends of Amanda Knox"

"Amanda...will be

"Amanda...will be judged...on the Italian TRANSLATION..."

Those aren't Shay's words, it's a quote. Maybe you should go back to school, buddy.
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It is a quote, but Steve-o wrote the article without inserting "[sic]" to designate that the error was not his, so...you know...maybe YOU should go back to school, friendo.

Peggy Ganong

Please, trying to defend Peggy Ganong over ad hominem attacks is ridiculous. She has a history of about 5000 posts worth of them. And you have a history of about 1000 on the West Seattle Herald everytime there is an article on Knox.

Knives are big and sometimes

Knives are big and sometimes sharp!

Lex Bailey

Lex Bailey, you are one sad portion of humanity.

Please try to explain to us in your semi literate style how disgusting attacks on another individual who has made absolutely no reference to you anywhere, furthers your personal agenda or that of Amanda Knox .....or has *any* relevance to the Translations Mr Shay is discussing.

Your constructive criticisms of the Translations are also sooo typical of your ilk.

Contribute NOTHING nowhere, and make frequent snarky stupid remarks about others

48 Hours

Peggy Ganong asks, "Incidentally, comments made by Edda Mellas and others close to the family criticizing the report when it came out in March were made within 48 hours of its publication in Italian. Since she does not understand Italian, and since no translation of this length could have been made within 48 hours, we wondered what she was basing her assessment on."

Because her Italian attorneys probably read it and told her about it. Does anyone else have trouble grasping that?

This case has caused heated

This case has caused heated disagreement online. I ask everyone to step back and take the time to read the Motivation carefully. Please take time to read through the appeal summaries also. There are many details that are favorable to the defense within the motivation. There was no way for Massei to hide the fact that errors were made in calculating the time of death. Measurements were incorrect on footprints. If you look at the actual facts you will see that it is completely impossible for the print on the bathmat to belong to Raffaele. You will find out the truth about the DNA on the bra clasp. The sample wasn't "abundant" after all. The sample was actually LCN and was not tested properly. These are just a few of the details. Please read through all of the information provided, and reach your own conclusion.

About the sites that translated the motivation report;
I would hope that the two websites that worked hard to translate the motivation would come to realize that supporting outright lies posted online damages their credibility and tarnishes their efforts. Both of these sites promote and support the online hate campaign by Harry Rag. In fact, Harry Rag posts on both sites as "The Machine"

One site recently decided to attack Amanda's mother and also post libelous information about Amanda. Amanda has never used Cocaine at anytime in her life. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that she has. Allowing this information to be posted on their website deeply damages their credibility. I see that Peggy has posted on the article. Peggy is a moderator at one of those sites. Hopefully she will do the right thing and stop promoting egregious lies and misinformation.

We should all be in search for the truth. We should not be more concerned with winning an online debate.

Media attention devoted to

Media attention devoted to this document is the result of the anti-Knox super duper PR attack machine hard at work 24/7 emailing 200 or so news outlets.
I hear all the Knox supporters, (many thousands of them), are at least on a payroll.
Amazing but that's what they say.
Whose paying these idiots? What motivates these fools to call such attention to themselves then announce how selfless their "volunteer" efforts have been.
LMAO

Peggy Ganong

Name a single Italian Attorney that worked on the translation.

Please, the most disgusting

Please, the most disgusting attack someone can make is on their own family. That is what Peggy Ganong did. Not me. She is a disgrace and a hypocrite. If you honestly think Peggy Ganong doesn't make daily attacks on pretty much everyone, you are blind or stupid. That's pretty much her thing. That's what she does.

And please, let's not call people semi-literate and then go on to use double negatives. Re-read your post, you'll see....maybe.

Semen Stains

Investigators in the case believed all along that they couldn't find physical evidence of Amanda and Raffaele because they cleaned it up with bleach. It turns out that there was an apparent semen stain underneath the victim that they chose not to test. Here are the words of the motivation document (p357)

"The following should be noted: even if a genetic investigation established the spermatic nature of these stains, such an investigation, as a rule, would not allow these stains to be dated and, in particular, it would not be possible to establish that they had been deposited on the night on which Meredith was killed."

"such an investigation, besides not being of a strictly necessary nature due to the impossibility of dating [i.e. establishing the date] (cf. what was elucidated on this aspect by the genetic experts), might also yield an entirely irrelevant outcome even for establishing the spermatic nature of those very stains and seems to be, therefore, a purely explorative activity,"

That's right they're obsessed with a 100 picogram (a picogram is a millionth of a millionth of a gram) sample that they claim is the victim's DNA at Raffaele's apartment but they don't care about testing an apparent semen stain found underneath the victim of a sexually motivated homicide. Their fear is that they might find something that contradicted their preconceived notions about the case.

For further information please read the excellent series of articles by recently retired veteran FBI agent Steve Moore on the Injusticeinperugia site. He has condemned the police investigation in Amanda's case in the strongest terms and is calling for the criminal prosecution of the Italian investigators.

I'd like to hear the names

I'd like to hear the names of the other "volunteers" who are "scientists, lawyers..et al..." who worked on it as well.
I can think of at least one bird up there who might have become involved but it's weird he wouldn't want his name used - unless he thought it might damage his reputation.
(He's already seen as kind of a goof ball.)
The Amanda Knox experts, which include highly credentialed forensics experts, legal analysts and retired FBI investigators all identify themselves as they shout Amanda and Raffaele's innocence out in the open at the top of their voices where everyone can see and hear them.
Don't your "experts" want to be identified so they can bask in the light of glory this selfless ambition to see justice done has now thrust upon them?
Did you just call them once and ask them to look at something to "help out" or did they actually commit themselves to the project in order to see "justice was done"?
Or did you just ask for a little help and promise to keep them anonymous because in the long run they really didn't want to be associated with you.

A single Attorney

Carlo Dalla Vedova speaks English. If Edda talked about the document it would have been from what he told her.

That document is a third rate translation of a cheap crime novel. It is not like anything that would ever come out of a US courtroom.

Lex is demonstrating the

Lex is demonstrating the ignorance of those who continue to say AK has been railroaded

Myths and Lies in the Perugia Witch Trial

I don't understand why Bruce Fisher didn't post here the direct link to his Myths and Lies page in his website.
Well, there is a direct link to them in my http://freeamanda.livejournal.com

Does this mean that we will hear the same old crap all over again? That's an old document full with the old knife&mixed DNA crap. I am sick of it! Candace Dempsey and all the others ruminated it for years in their blogs!

Don't you understand that time is running out for Amanda, Raffaele and Rudy?

There isn't even anybody, besides me, to really twitter for Amanda!

http://twitter.com/FreeAmandaKnox

Well no one has to take your

Well no one has to take your word for it now!

Pish

Phauelb -

"Because her Italian attorneys probably read it and told her about it. Does anyone else have trouble grasping that?"

But her Italian lawyers were in Italy. Edda Mellas at that time was in the United States and doing damage control rounds of the TV studios.

So yeah...I have real trouble grasping that.

bruce f = ?

Who is this bruce person, blogging around the clock for Amanda?

Is he the pudgy, middle aged dork with the 6 dollar super-cut in that ridiculous video on Rudy's stance?

The one with no credentials or experience in criminal law or forensic science?

Has he even gone to a 3rd rate community college?

Does his wife know about his Amanda obsession?

the 2nd knife

Carlo Dalla Vedova speaks English. If Edda talked about the document it would have been from what he told her.
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Then why didn't he tell her that the DID cover the 2nd knife in the court proceedings?

Or did he not realize why Raffaele's friends were all asked to describe the knives in Raffaele's collection that they weren't allowed to touch?

Hey Michael. How's that

Hey Michael. How's that Green Man story coming? Did the judge's mention any of this Green man stuff in their report?

Hey, didn't the judges say in the motivation that manga comics made them all horny and ready to kill? This is really smoking gun material.

Well what a surprise

Out comes the document in a form all can read for themselves of the judges detailing precisely the reasoning that brought them to the guilty verdict. It is thoroughly discussed...nothing is glossed over; the defense arguments are represented in detail as well as the prosecution's arguments, and the reasons why each bit of evidence/were found to be reliable or not.

And out come the murderer supporters attacking those producing the translation. Don't you want to discuss the previously less well known tidbits?

Like in an intercepted conversation Amanda says to her father about Rudy: I never invited him *before*

Talk about the Motivations (after you've read them) and don't just come in swinging both fists.

Michael

Phanuelb:

"That's right they're obsessed with a 100 picogram (a picogram is a millionth of a millionth of a gram) sample that they claim is the victim's DNA at Raffaele's apartment but they don't care about testing an apparent semen stain found underneath the victim of a sexually motivated homicide. Their fear is that they might find something that contradicted their preconceived notions about the case."

Actually, I've asked you this elsewhere multiple times and never got am answer...maybe hundredth time lucky:

WHY? What would testing the stain tell the investigators/court what they didn't know already? How, would it exculpate Amanda and Raffaele...or in fact, what bearing would it have on the verdicts against them in any way whatsoever and why?

These are REALLY simple questions. Take your time now.

Raffaele

Don't worry about Raffaele and his knives! If he sticks to his testimony that he spent the night at home, while Amanda had left, he is out of shit. Otherwise his sentence will be reduced, like Amanda's, to Rudy's level.

But I am not talking here about further deals, but that ALL 3 of them are innocent...

Twittering for Amanda (instead of Farmvilling):
http://twitter.com/FreeAmandaKnox

More Pish

Phanuelb:

"Carlo Dalla Vedova speaks English. If Edda talked about the document it would have been from what he told her."

Vedova was in Italy. Mellas was in America. What...did he just shout really loudly?

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Massei's Mess

The Massei report is intellectually dishonest and stylistically a mess. The trial took almost a year and yet the jury, over which the judge presided and dominated, took less than 12 hours to reach its verdict. But now we are supposed to believe that the jury actually considered all the tendentious nonsense contained in the "motivations" report during its deliberations.

Who's kidding whom here? This was a classic case of convicting first and creating an elaborate ex post facto rationalization. But if Massei really had the goods, and if Amanda and Raffaele had really been guilty, he would not have had to create a document the length of a Victorian novel to explain. He could easily explained himself in a lucid 100 pages. The very length of this document is a sign of confusion and of substituting stamina for brains.

By all means read this if you have the patience and are immune to exasperation. The judge inadvertently makes powerful points for the defense. As a whole, though, the thing reads like it was written by Henry James's dimwit younger brother. The clauses get tangled and the syntax and logic break down utterly. The poor addled judge misconstrues some evidence and ignores other evidence completely. He indulges mightily in the rankest of speculation and conjecture. His overall theory of the case is laughable on its face.

So ,yes, read it--and I am sure you will find it is about as bad as this sort of document can be.

And one more thing: make sure you read the appeals and the appeals summaries too. They are concise, lucid, and cogent response. They blow the prosecution case out of the water.

"But her Italian lawyers

"But her Italian lawyers were in Italy. Edda Mellas at that time was in the United States and doing damage control rounds of the TV studios.

So yeah...I have real trouble grasping that."

heh heh
So when all is said and done you have a hard time grasping the use of "cell phones" even after years of directly applying evidence of their use/non-use/made-up-use/sms-use/data-use/tower-use/minutae-use/turned-on-turned-off-use to the singularly schizophrenic stitches of cloth that make up the ridiculous case against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecieto.
Actually it comes as no surprise that you should "have real trouble grasping that."
In fact it makes more sense than anything else you people have said around here.

"Carlo Dalla Vedova speaks

"Carlo Dalla Vedova speaks English. If Edda talked about the document it would have been from what he told her."

"Vedova was in Italy. Mellas was in America. What...did he just shout really loudly?"

Oh Gawd. This is disturbing.
See above.

Michael isn't interested in

Michael isn't interested in women. He is married to his job....as a pmf moderator? SAD!

no one has to take your word

no one has to take your word for it.

true justice for Meredith Kercher!!!

Hurrah for the champions @ PMF for sharing real facts!!!

Telephones and Semen Stains

Two interesting quotes:

Michael writes: "Vedova was in Italy. Mellas was in America. What...did he just shout really loudly?"

Have you ever heard of a telephone?

Michael writes: "WHY? What would testing the stain tell the investigators/court what they didn't know already? How, would it exculpate Amanda and Raffaele...or in fact, what bearing would it have on the verdicts against them in any way whatsoever and why?"

Competent homicide investigators test apparent semen stains at the scenes of sexually motivated homicides. Period.

Michael

Some anonymous fool:

"heh heh
So when all is said and done you have a hard time grasping the use of "cell phones" even after years of directly applying evidence of their use/non-use/made-up-use/sms-use/data-use/tower-use/minutae-use/turned-on-turned-off-use to the singularly schizophrenic stitches of cloth that make up the ridiculous case against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecieto.
Actually it comes as no surprise that you should "have real trouble grasping that."
In fact it makes more sense than anything else you people have said around here."

Well No, "heh heh", I don't have a problem with the concept of cell phones. I have a problem with a highly complex legal report of over 400 pages that her own Italian lawyers hadn't even had in there position for as much time as 48 hours, much less had time to read and understand it THEMSELVES, let alone read the whole thing, not just from Italian but highly complex Italian, in ENGLISH over a cell phone to Edda Mellas who herself at the time was running around from TV studio to TV studio and appearing in various television interviews at the time.

But hey, call me a skeptic, but that's one bridge I'm not buying.

And the Pish Goes On

PhauelB:

"Competent homicide investigators test apparent semen stains at the scenes of sexually motivated homicides. Period."

No, no, no, that's not what I asked...maybe I put it in a too complex way before. You still did not answer a single one of my questions. Let's try again...here we go, are you ready? 1...2...3...

WHY? What would testing the stain tell the investigators/court what they didn't know already? How, would it exculpate Amanda and Raffaele...or in fact, what bearing would it have on the verdicts against them in any way whatsoever and why?

These are REALLY simple questions. Take your time now.

Lex Bailey

Lex, hang your head.
Have you no shame?
Have you no life?
Do you always have to look under your bed before turning out the lights?
What in god's name is wrong with you?

What relevance your simpleton personal diatribes attacking against an individual who has said nothing about you here has to the Shay Article escapes me.

There is NONE.

You lack common sense as well as common decency